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Naslov: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: branimir - Listopad 06, 2017, 15:55:54
Dakle radi se o Travinom križancu gdje je "mama" Chamaerops cerifera a "tata" posebna forma iz sjemenki
zelenog humilisa koja je zbijene forme, sporog rasta i širokih slabije podjeljenih listova. Njega je trava
isklijao u istoj turi sjemenki čiji potomci za razliku od "čudnog brata" izgledaju normalno.

Potomstvo ovog križanca s ceriferom su završili na raznim adresama, od Konstantinosa do Henoha, Amelita i mene.
Ako sam nekog preskočio neka se javi. Na ovoj temi možemo pratiti kako se potomstvo ovog križanca razvija kod
drugih i vidjeti kako se stvari razvijaju kod križanja Chamaeropsa.

Stavljam slike Cerifere "mame" i Travinog dwarf humilisa "tate":
(slika vidljiva ulogiranima)


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: branimir - Listopad 06, 2017, 16:13:01
1 Kod mene je prvi u svim djelovima malen ali je rano krenuo djeliti listove.
   Ovo je slika iz 7mj. ove godine. Sada je još dosta narastao.

2 Ovaj još nije podjelio listove koji su u ovoj fazi nalik na mladi vulcano. Za
   sada mi se čini da je taj najviše povukao na patuljastog tatu. Slika je od
   danas.


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: branimir - Listopad 06, 2017, 16:13:40
3 Ovaj raste jako sporo i ima manje i uže listove od ostalih. Slika iz 7.mj.

4 Zadnji se razvija kao normalni humilis sa našto užim listovima i ima
   naznake plave boje u sebi. Slika od danas.


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: Henoh - Listopad 07, 2017, 09:50:05
Moja tri klijanca
(https://s6.postimg.org/rh3wzv181/IMG_3093.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

(https://s6.postimg.org/7z99jyu0h/IMG_3094.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Krajnje lijevo kao da mi pokazuje karakteristike oba roditelja.
Taj ima pozadinu kao kod jedne cerifere koja mi je na vrtu.
(https://s6.postimg.org/hz45zradt/IMG_3096.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Rijec je o tockicama nastalim od skupina nazovi 'sitnih dlacica' koje se znaju pojaviti na vrhu lista koplja koje se otvara.


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: branimir - Listopad 07, 2017, 18:03:49
Ovaj prvi lijevo izgleda kao moj broj dva. Ima široke prve listove.
Prvi podjeljeni list izgleda kao da ima tanje segmente?

Travino križanje je očigledno uspjelo jer se vidi razlika od klijanaca čiste cerifere.


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: amelito1 - Listopad 07, 2017, 19:36:00
Evo i mog danas slikano
(https://s1.postimg.org/2x5qixhiq7/20171007_114652.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/6htyf9h1pr/20171007_114617.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: branimir - Listopad 07, 2017, 21:03:06
Prva dva polupodjeljena lista su kod Amelita zbijeniji nego što bi bili kod normalnog humilisa.


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: KT - Listopad 12, 2017, 09:11:59
I have not observed (not that they did not exist, I just do not have such a keen eye) the subtle differencies I have read above. All I could say is that the 4 plants (from 5 seeds) I had, could be split in to two clearly distinct groups: The first group consisted of two plants that had clearly dwarf-traits meaning short petioles and internodes, while the other two plants had more regular traits meaning longer petioles and internodes. Interestingly the second group had also violet tinges on sten and leaf perioles, a feature that imo means that the plant will grow tall and fast. Here are some pictures. First all 4 plants, from right to left the tall and the short group.
(https://s1.postimg.org/1jdsodgocf/hybr2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
You can observe the violet color on the exemplaries of the larger group here
(https://s1.postimg.org/8tq5x8d0sf/hybr3.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: KT - Listopad 12, 2017, 09:42:50
I gave to friends the the other three plants and kept for me the one with the shortest petioles. Mind that all plants were growing in my cold frame, that is in low light conditions, so I anticipate from the dwarf specimen that in full sunn it develops even shorter petioles, as closely as posiible to Hemithrinax ekmaniana or Coccothrinax borhidiana.
(https://s1.postimg.org/956cc6kufz/20170712_195430.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/2nyx915d0f/20170712_195436.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/888uo17c5r/20170712_195532.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/12jnh7r2en/20170712_195523.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/2ddddopyun/20170712_195546.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: branimir - Listopad 12, 2017, 17:09:25
I did not know about "violet tinges" before, it's very interesting. :thumb_up:
I think it's best to keep them together in similar conditions and then we can be shure that the differences are due to genetics.
As I see we all kept them like that and differences are obvius.


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: KT - Listopad 13, 2017, 09:43:37
Another update of my specimen. I have potted it up and left it outside in shade this August . This is a yesterday picture.
(https://s1.postimg.org/9p94uroku7/IMG_20171012_162028.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/5s6a6ftkrj/IMG_20171012_162041.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
I have observed spots of waxy layer on backside of the newest leaves. Even on the front side I can see smaller spots of waxy layer like on cerifera. This is certainly a trait inherited from cerifera mother.
(https://s1.postimg.org/264an8kzyn/IMG_20171012_162223.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://s1.postimg.org/170yo8stof/IMG_20171012_162241.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Naslov: Odg: Cerifera x humilis dwarf by Travica
Autor: trava - Listopad 13, 2017, 20:58:42
Sviđaju mi se ti dwarf chamaeropsi.Imao sam nekoliko klijanaca ali sam ih sve podijelio,drago mi je gledati vaše,uživam u njima ko da su moji :sun: