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« Odgovori #30 u: Kolovoz 31, 2016, 10:54:35 prijepodne »
To bad it's lost by now. Would be great potting specimen.
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« Odgovori #31 u: Kolovoz 31, 2016, 11:52:33 prijepodne »
Ante, do you remember by chance the ancient fresco from Thera? It shows a river with two clearly distinct palm spp growing on its banks. The first and taller sp refers clearly to a dactylifera or theophrasti. The second smaller palm has probably palmate leaves which are red-purple. They eyewitness believes that this fresco tries to depict a cretan landscape and the painter had not the proper color for the reproduction of the Chamaerops with the purple tinges.

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« Odgovori #32 u: Kolovoz 31, 2016, 16:06:13 poslijepodne »
Možda bi vrijedilo istražiti to područje,možda je neki primjerak te palme preživio u nečijem vrtu ili ima još koja negdje u divljini?
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« Odgovori #33 u: Kolovoz 31, 2016, 19:14:43 poslijepodne »
I'm very interested in seeing this fresco.
In the book Historia Plantarum, written by Theophrastus who describes small palm similar to Chamaerops as native to Greece.
He also mentions that it grows in Sicily and that there, it is used for making bascets:

Evo jednog on-line prijevoda Theophrastusove knjige o biljkama. Ima nešto i o palmama, nisam je do kraja proućio ali spominje svakakve datulje pa čak i Chamaerops humilis kao malu palmu prisutnu na Kreti a još više na Siciliji od koje se pletu košare.

http://ia700304.us.archive.org/8/items/enquiryintoplan00hortgoog/enquiryintoplan00hortgoog.pdf

PS: Mora se dosta čekati da se pdf učita a pretraga rijeći unutar njega ne radi.
Ovaj link više ne radi.
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« Odgovori #34 u: Kolovoz 31, 2016, 19:28:57 poslijepodne »
Evo englenski prijevod vezano uz Chamaerops iz knjige Historia Plantarum, napisane između 350 i 287 godine prije Krista.
Nisam siguran ima li igdje i hrvatski prijevod.

^ The dwarf-palm, as it is called, is a distinct kind,
having nothing but its name ^ in common with other
palms. For if the head is removed, it survives,
and, if it is cut down, it shoots again from the
roots. It differs too in the fruit and leaves ; for
the leaf is broad and flexible, and so they weave
their baskets and mats out of it. It is common in
Crete and still more so in Sicily.^ However in

these matters we have said more than our purpose
required.

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« Odgovori #35 u: Kolovoz 31, 2016, 21:39:43 poslijepodne »
Here it is!
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« Odgovori #36 u: Listopad 13, 2016, 17:02:15 poslijepodne »
Chmaerops cultivar melanacantha

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« Odgovori #37 u: Listopad 13, 2016, 19:47:57 poslijepodne »
It has also quite stiff leaves and big fruits and the seeds are glabrous

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« Odgovori #38 u: Listopad 24, 2016, 06:41:14 prijepodne »
Prije par godina sam dobio sjeme rigide blue i green od Damira koje je on opet dobio od M@xa s EPS-a.Trazio sam po arhivi slike roditeljskih palmi, no nista nisam nasao.

Trenutno izgledaju ovako. Na lijevoj ima na poledjini lista neceg i to bi mozda bila blue?
 
Rigida blue i nije bas blue ali neka je, mozda jednog dana postane mada sve su manje sanse...


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« Odgovori #39 u: Listopad 24, 2016, 10:15:17 prijepodne »
Ove su obje rigida blue ili je desna green?
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« Odgovori #40 u: Listopad 24, 2016, 14:37:30 poslijepodne »
Branimire, nazalost ne znam. Te dvije su mi ostale, nagadjam prema trenutnom izgledu da je ova lijeva blue, a desna da bi trebala biti green.To bjelkasto plavicasto na poledjini listova sam vidjao kod raznih Chamaeropsa. Ne znam kako bi roditelji trebali izgledati.Sto bi bila opcenita karakteristika rigida, samo kruti listovi ili sto jos?
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« Odgovori #41 u: Listopad 25, 2016, 14:03:21 poslijepodne »
I agree with Henoh. Blue in this context means that the backside of the leaf should have a cover of white scales giving from a distance the impression of overall silver leaves. Botanists use to describe this feature the term argentata. Of course the term according to nomenclature is used for the cerifera variety but with respect to common meaning it is most unfortunate! So for our mental sanity sake, let us keep using the term argentata for specimens with whitish scales on leaf's backside and let terms such as blue or glaucous be use for description of other features.

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« Odgovori #42 u: Listopad 25, 2016, 14:09:34 poslijepodne »
And another question: What does the term rigida refer to? To the texture of the entire leaf which by touching gives a feeling of rough, thick texture like on Brahea armata or to the fact that segment tips are not pendulous in any way?

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« Odgovori #43 u: Listopad 25, 2016, 15:50:48 poslijepodne »
Evo my gracile form x cerifera. Nothing special but I like the overall look, it seems so symmetric.

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« Odgovori #44 u: Listopad 25, 2016, 18:55:44 poslijepodne »
Nice.Humilis do not need wire :thumb_up:
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