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« Odgovori #120 u: Travnja 01, 2010, 12:41:15 poslijepodne »
Moram da se pohvalim  :sretan:

Komsinica mi je juce dala OGROMAN oleander, ima preko 2m visine  :shocked: roze-dupli...
Slikacu danas  :sretan:
a ima bit da si joj nešto puno drag :mrgreen:

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« Odgovori #121 u: Travnja 18, 2010, 21:00:55 poslijepodne »
Bok svima! Novi sam član na ovom forumu koji mi se čini prilično aktivan. Već sam i na nekim drugim forumima ostavila sličnu poruku. Ponosna sam vlasnica više velikih oleandera, koji su se međutim razbahatili i ne dozvoljavaju niti jednoj biljci blizu. Imate li možda ideju što da posadim pod oleandar. Polako mu svake godine skidam po dvije tri grane, nebi li ostalo samo stablo, pa bih u podnožju rado vidjela neku cvjetnicu. Puno hvala.

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« Odgovori #122 u: Travnja 19, 2010, 13:28:35 poslijepodne »
Evo jedne slike sa neta kako oleandri mogu prekrasno izgledati uzgojeni kao stablo.
Slika je vjerojatno sa talijanskih sjevernih jezera.



@ zeda, oleandar je otrovna biljka, ali to se pretpostavljam odnosi samo na konzumiranje dijelova biljke, a ne i da je otrovan za druge biljke koje rastu oko njega. Barem je takvo moje iskustvo, a i u primorskim vrtovima ga možemo vidjeti u kombinaciji sa svim mogućim biljkama. Negdje u literaturi sam pročitao da oleandar ne treba saditi blizu masline, ali isto je pisalo i za smokvu i maslinu, tako da mislim da se tu radi o konkurenciji korijenja, a ne o štetnosti same biljke na drugu.
Mislim da je odgovor da ako oleandar stvara sjenu određenoj biljci sadi ono što podnosi sjenu, ako ne sadi sve što voli sunce.
Što se tiče konkurencije korijenja to ionako jednostavno nadoknadiš redovitim zalijevanjem i gnojenjem.
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USDA zone: 8b (prema 8a)
Prosječna godišnja apsolut. min. temp.:  -9,4°C
Apsolutna minimalna temperatura:        -16,1°C - 1985. g.
(razdoblje od 1961. g. do 2010. g.)
Godišnja prosječna temperatura:           13,0°C
Ukupna godiš. količina padalina:      oko 900 mm

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« Odgovori #123 u: Travnja 19, 2010, 17:38:18 poslijepodne »
Hvala Porat. Moji oleandri nisu još tako debeli, ali im je krošnja možda čak i šira. Možda je ipak hlad bio u pitanju. Pokušavala sam saditi lavandu uz njega, ali bi mi uvijek nakon par tjedana propala.

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« Odgovori #124 u: Travnja 24, 2010, 12:02:57 poslijepodne »
Imam oleander (sobni) u zagrebu već 2-3 godine, nikad nije cvjetao, a sad su mu nekontrolirano počeli opadati listovi i mladi i stariji, s tim da prije opadanja postanu ljubičasti, prije dva tjedna sam ga iznio malo van, pošpricao vodom i pustio 2 dana da malo "udahne zraka" stavio sam i gnojiva za zelene biljke (što sam shvatio da je očito pogreška jer imam i za cvijetno bilje gnojiva). Što mu se događa? jel moguće da ga je gnojivo oslabilo ili promjena uvjeta dva dana, što mi je činiti? Molim pomoć, ne mogu gledati kako propada jer je najljepša biljka koju sam imao ikad!

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« Odgovori #125 u: Travnja 24, 2010, 19:45:35 poslijepodne »
Stvarno neznam kakav je to sobni oleander i zaista nisam čula za njega.Ali ako je to obični oleander koji  držiš u kući onda ti mogu reći da ga odmah ostaviš vani promijeniš zemlju oko korijena i dobro poljevaj naravno treba mu i puno sunca.Nadam se da nisi pretjerao sa gnojivom tj. da mu nisi spalio korijen sa velikom koncentacijom istog.Nadam se da sam pomogla ako pričamo o klasičnom oleanderu.Inače jedne godine je i jedan od mojih ljepotana strašno gubio lišće ali to je trajalo 15-ak dana i sve se vratilo u normalu samo mu moraš dati prave uvjete za rast.Sretno

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« Odgovori #126 u: Travnja 24, 2010, 20:11:38 poslijepodne »
Oleander nije dobro držati u stanu, treba ga držati vani, po mogućnosti na mjestu koje obiluje suncem. Budući da je tvoj oleander nenaviknut na sunce, postupno ga tjekom 2 - 3 tjedna izlaži suncu, da se privikne.
USDA zone: 7a


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« Odgovori #127 u: Travnja 25, 2010, 17:00:33 poslijepodne »
Evo malo sam se raspitao, dakle to nije oleander, vec fikus king amstel, koji je listom vrlo slican, pa sam se zbunio, znam da to nije tema ali ako znate sto bih mogao poduzeti u ovom slucaju, bio bih zahvalan.

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« Odgovori #128 u: Travnja 27, 2010, 13:49:23 poslijepodne »
Stari oleander u avliji Blagajske tekije

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« Odgovori #129 u: Lipnja 04, 2010, 20:19:32 poslijepodne »
Moj oleander (koji je prezimio u negrejanoj kući) je sav nešto klonuo od kad je izvađen napolje. Donji izdanci su živahni i dobri, ali staro lišće je u raspadnom stanju. Da li bih ga trebao orezati?


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« Odgovori #130 u: Siječnja 06, 2011, 22:11:58 poslijepodne »
Cisto da se zna da je beli sok koji se nalazi u oleanderu veoma otrovan i da se ne sme piti(samo da naglasim  :icon_mrhappy:) i da ne sme doci u kontakt sa ranom sto moze slucajno da se desi cak mozete dobiti trovanje ako ste pojeli med za koji su pcele da bi ga napravile koristile nektar oleanderovog cveta. :shocked:.Bila je i emisija gde je neka gospodja pokusala da ubije muza sa tim sokom iscedjenim u caj...
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« Odgovori #131 u: Veljače 20, 2011, 16:51:00 poslijepodne »
Yonex, nemoj davati ljudima ideje  :wink:. U donjem tekstu piše kako čak i paljenje dijelova biljke može biti opasno, uslijed udisanja dima.

 
Tekst iz Yonexovog linka 'Hardy tropicals':

http://www.manchestergardenclub.com/rick/Tropicals/Tropicals.htm

Calypso Oleander
Nerium oleander 'Calypso'

Nerium oleander is an evergreen shrub reaching 6 to 12 feet in height and spread, but can top off at 20 feet in the South. Calypso is extremely cold hardy for an Oleander, but it is subject to freeze damage. The leaves are dark green throughout the seasons. Flowers bloom in summer to early fall; each flower is 1 1/2 inch in diameter, borne in terminal cymes on new growth. Flowers are showy, fragrant pink and may be singles or doubles. Various cultivars are available. Bears a slender pod fruit, not really ornamental. It is tolerant of seascapes, likes well drained, fertile soil, withstands dry conditions and pollution. Calypso should have at least 6 hours of direct sun per day for best flowering.  It is native to southern Asia in the Mediterranean area. This is an extremely toxic plant. Even the dried leaves can be lethal, so do not burn.


Hardy Red Oleander
Nerium oleander 'Hardy Red'

Nerium oleander 'Hardy Red' sports single red blossoms and dark green leathery leaves. This Oleander can reach up to 6-12' in height and 10' wide. Like all Oleanders, Hardy Red is drought, heat, salt, wind, and pollution tolerant and is often seen growing where other plants won't such as highway medians. Oleander is also a great choice for sheared hedges as well as for screening.  For best flowering prune only in early fall and plant in a site that gets at least 6 hours minimum of sun per day.  The more sun, the more flowers!  This oleander will hold its evergreen leaves down into single digits for short spells.   Even if it is zapped by cold it can rebound and grow up to 6 feet in once season from well-established roots.  For this reason gardeners have had success in Zone 6 and are giving it a try in Zone 5.  

Uglavnom dvije otporne vrste oleandra. Za prvoga se ne navodi koliko, osim da je ekstremno otporan za oleandar. Listovi su prilično tamni, cvijet roza boje. Za drugog se navodi kako je otporan do jednoznamenkastih brojki (u F), što znači ok -*13 C i niže. I da mu je prednosd da i ako strada od zime, da već u sljedećoj sezoni naraste do 2 m, ako ima dobro razvijen korijen.

Sad, pod pretpostavkom da su gornji podaci točni, ostaje problem pronaći ove ili slične otporne sorte. Moje iskustvo sa dva oleandra različite vrste, posađenih par god. u vrtu, je da su razlike u otpornosti među sortama velike, tako da bi se isplati eksperimentirati dok se ne nađe otpornija sorta.
Jedan koji je manji rastom (iako su bili gotovo jednake veličine prilikom sadnje), i ima sitnije, malo zašiljene listove, stradao bi u manjoj mjeri gotovo svake godine. Većina tih stradalih listova počela bi se sušiti nešto kasnije, tokom 4. mjeseca, pa nikad nisam bio siguran da li je to od prevelike gnjojidbe ili od zime. Prošlu zimu, s -14 C, taj manji je stradao potpuno, pa sam ga posjekao tako da je ostalo nekoliko glavnih, debljih grana, dužine nekih pola m. U prošloj sezoni narastao je do nekih 1,2 m visine, a u ovoj zimi s -12 C opet je prilično stradao. Drugi, krupnijih listova, koji su na vrhu obli, prošlu je zimu prošao gotovo netaknut.
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USDA zone: 8b (prema 8a)
Prosječna godišnja apsolut. min. temp.:  -9,4°C
Apsolutna minimalna temperatura:        -16,1°C - 1985. g.
(razdoblje od 1961. g. do 2010. g.)
Godišnja prosječna temperatura:           13,0°C
Ukupna godiš. količina padalina:      oko 900 mm

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« Odgovori #132 u: Veljače 20, 2011, 17:19:36 poslijepodne »
Necu vise, obecavam... :mrgreen:  Evo jos jednog upozorenja:
It contains the principal cardiac glycosides oleandrin, which can be used instead of digitalis, and neriine, as well as folinerin and digitoxigenin.
Causes abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhoea, visual disturbances, rapid pulse and heart malfunction causing death. The sap if in contact with the skin can cause blistering, irritation and soreness.
John Gerard says that, applied externally it can improve the digestion but taken internally it is deadly to men and most kinds of beasts. Cattle, sheep and goats can be killed by drinking water into which leaves of oleander have fallen.
The poisons are said to survive burning so cooking over a fire of oleander wood is said to cause the poison to transfer via the smoke to meat being cooked.

I jos malo:

Toxicity
Oleander is one of the most poisonous plants in the world and contains numerous toxic compounds, many of which are deadly to people, especially young children. (Despite this fact, it is often grown in school yards. The toxicity of Oleander is considered extremely high, and it has been reported that in some cases only a small amount had lethal or near-lethal effects. The most significant of these toxins are oleandrin and neriine, which are cardiac glycosides. They are present in all parts of the plant, but are most concentrated in the sap, which can block out receptors. High risk circumstances of exposure include children playing with the ornamental shrub, as well as adults or children tasting, chewing, ingesting portions of the plant, and inappropriate medicinal use of plant infusion.[6] Oleander bark contains rosagenin which is known for its strychnine-like effects. The entire plant, including the nectar, is toxic, and any part can cause an adverse reaction. Oleander is also known to hold its toxicity even after drying. It is thought that a handful or 10-20 leaves consumed by an adult can cause an adverse reaction, and a single leaf could be lethal to an infant or child. According to the Toxic Exposure Surveillance System (TESS) in 2002 there were 847 exposures to Oleander reported to poison centers in the United States. There are innumerable reported suicidal cases of consuming mashed oleander seeds in southern India. Around 0.23 mg per pound of body weight is lethal to many animals, and various other doses will affect other animals. Most animals can suffer a reaction or death from this plant.

Effects of poisoning
Reactions to this plant are as follows: Ingestion can cause both gastrointestinal and cardiac effects. The gastrointestinal effects can consist of nausea and vomiting, excess salivation, abdominal pain, diarrhea that may or may not contain blood, and especially in horses, colic. Cardiac reactions consist of irregular heart rate, sometimes characterized by a racing heart at first that then slows to below normal further along in the reaction. The heart may also beat erratically with no sign of a specific rhythm. Extremities may become pale and cold due to poor or irregular circulation. Reactions to poisonings from this plant can also affect the central nervous system. These symptoms can include drowsiness, tremors or shaking of the muscles, seizures, collapse, and even coma that can lead to death. Oleander sap can cause skin irritations, severe eye inflammation and irritation, and allergy reactions characterized by dermatitis.

Medical treatment required
Poisoning and reactions to Oleander plants are evident quickly, requiring immediate medical care in suspected or known poisonings of both humans and animals. Induced vomiting and gastric lavage are protective measures to reduce absorption of the toxic compounds. Charcoal may also be administered to help absorb any remaining toxins. Further medical attention may be required and will depend on the severity of the poisoning and symptoms. Temporary cardiac pacing will be required in many cases (usually for a few days) till the toxin is excreted.
Digoxin Immune Fab is the best way to cure an oleander poisoning if inducing vomiting has no or minimal success, although it is usually only used for life-threatening conditions due to side effects.

Drying of plant materials does not eliminate the toxins. It is also hazardous for animals such as sheep, horses, cattle, and other grazing animals, with as little as 100 g being enough to kill an adult horse. Plant clippings are especially dangerous to horses, as they are sweet. In July 2009, several horses were poisoned in this manner from the leaves of the plant. Symptoms of a poisoned horse include severe diarrhea and abnormal heartbeat. There are a wide range of toxins and secondary compounds within Oleander, and care should be taken around this plant due to its toxic nature. Different names for Oleander are used around the world in different locations, so when encountering a plant with this appearance, regardless of the name used for it, exercise great care and caution to avoid ingestion of any part of the plant, including its sap and dried leaves or twigs. Do not use the dried or fresh branches for spearing food, in preparing a cooking fire, or as a food skewer. Many of the Oleander relatives, such as the Desert Rose (Adenium obesum) found in East Africa, have similar leaves and flowers and are equally toxic.
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« Odgovori #133 u: Ožujka 06, 2011, 15:35:36 poslijepodne »
Evo kako izgleda seme, Borcanin mi poklonio... :mrgreen: Posejao sam par komada, cisto da probam.Imam pelcere koje sam ozilio i trebalo bi da cvetaju ove godine.Slikacu ih kad malo povrate boju, sad ''spavaju'' na tavanu.


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« Odgovori #134 u: Ožujka 07, 2011, 20:40:01 poslijepodne »
Meni je pre neki dan nikao jedan oleander. :sretan: